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Tuesday’s Tip: Don’t Limit Dates in Searches- Henry Honts/Johns of Hancock Co., Indiana

Romanesque Revival Greenfield Courthouse, Hancock County, Indiana, completed in 1897. This building is now part of a National Historic District. The Johns family would have know this building, and possibly been inside for county business. Via Wikipedia, CC 2.0 license.

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Tuesday’s Tip: Don’t Limit Dates in Searches

A typical genealogical search on FamilySearch, Google, Duck, Duck Go, Elephind, etc., generally includes a name plus birth and death dates. Yes, it is important to limit the number of hits so one is still not searching at 3am ,* but sometimes NOT limiting the search can find even better information.

It is fine to limit the search with a birth date, using the earliest possible of the many dates suggested by a census, headstone, etc.- you know that person will not be in any record before that date.

But after that date? Many of us lose out by specifying the death date as the final date that there might be a mention of someone. Obituaries, cemetery records, probate, court cases, and even city directories may list a person after their death. As an example, city directories may list the widow with her deceased husband’s name in the listing, and we have seen directories that were printed just before the death of someone listed, so they suggest the person was still alive. The deceased may also be included many years later in the obituary of a spouse or child, or in a newspaper article about a community or church; an example is a former minister being listed in a church history.

The obituary of William Johns of Wilkinson, Indiana illustrates this tip. Researching the Henry Honts/Johns family of  Virginia, Tennessee, and Indiana, we used a variety of search terms, and in one, did not include the death date, when searching for Henry’s children and grandchildren. Here is the result of that search, published in The Courier Times of New Castle, Indiana, on 12 May 1953:

William H. Johns obituary, The Courier Times of New Castle, Indiana, published 12 May 1953.

William’s parents were early residents of Hancock County per the obituary, and it gives their names, verifying that information for us, as we already have them in our family tree.

Previous research tells us that William’s father, Henry Johns, was the son of Matthias “Matthew” Johns (1817-1899) and Ellen Maggart/Maggard (1822-1886). Earlier research also tells us that Matthias was the second son of Henry Honts/Johns (Sr.) (1769-1864) and Elizabeth (Firestone) [Lampert] Johns (1785-1862). Only Henry Sr. is actually related to us- these Johns family members were his second family. But knowing that Henry and Sara were pioneer residents of Hancock Co., Indiana, gives more weight to our other data that includes the fact that the Johns family was in Hancock Indiana for quite some time- we know at least by the 1840 US Federal Census, when Henry and Elizabeth moved there with their two sons, including Matthias.

We must, of course, be careful to not extrapolate too far using this obit as ‘proof’- it really only tells us about William H. and his parents. But it gives us clues to check, such as a county history or Pioneer Days Celebration article that might list William’s parents. Just the one word “early” when speaking of William’s parents as pioneers tells us that we should find more about what life might have been like for William growing up in a newly-settled (by whites) area of the frontier.

One more great point about this more-recent obituary- it tells us the names of persons who were alive in 1953, and there is more chance that they may still be around to share their memories. Now we can look for that grandchild or great-grandchild that may have the surname Johns, Gipe, or Gale, and may have lived in- or still be in- Hancock County. In addition to memories and family records, they may even have that unbelievable photo of an ancestor that you never thought you would find!

So try your searches in many ways-sometimes leaving information OUT will give you great hits you might not have found if you had left that search term IN.

 

* Well, okay- as a genealogist who is finding good stuff, it is hard to stop, so 3am may be chiming on the beautiful antique clock near your computer on a regular basis. But searching smart will help you to have moved on to another detail, rather than still searching for that one tiny bit of info in thousands of search hits.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

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Sorting Saturday: Matthews, Stewart, Roberts, Daniel, in Botetourt Co., Virginia

1771_0803-MATTHEWS, Sampson and George MATTHEWS with 45 ac, Botetourt Book 40_p621 in Commonwealths land grants or Patents_Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, page 3, FamilySearch.

 

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Reading through “Commonwealth’s land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802” that is on FamilySearch, there were quite a few interesting entries indexed. We are looking for early family of each of these surnames, so these may be people who should be researched further.

MATTHEWS:

1774_0705-MATTHEWS, Sampson and George MATTHEWS with 80 ac, Botetourt Patent Book 42_p669 in Commonwealths land grants or Patents_Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, page 9, FamilySearch.

Sampson MATTHEWS (1737-1807) and George MATTHEWS (1739-1812) were brothers, and sons of Anne ARCHER and John MATTHEWS. According to a DAR application, George served as a Colonel in a Virginia regiment during the Revolutionary War; he was taken prisoner at Germantown and was a POW for four years until exchanged by the British. Sampson provided duck (a heavy fabric) for sails to the Navy in 1776, and then served in the militia. They were brothers to Jane MATTHEWS PAUL (1740-1800), one of our ancestors in the Daniel-Roberts line.

Richard Matthews has not yet been researched.

1787_0724- MATTHEWS, Richard, 653ac in 2 parcels, Botetourt Patent Book 9, p735-6, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1, page 36 FamilySearch.

 

1787_0724- MATTHEWS, Richard, 430ac in 2 parcels, Botetourt Patent Book 11, p530-1, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1, page 39, FamilySearch.

STEWART:

Alexander STEWART 1780_0105, with 99 ac, Botetourt Book B_p281, in Commonwealths land grants or Patents_Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, page 12, FamilySearch.

[This entry for Alexander Stewart is interesting as his land was on Craig’s Creek, near the Honts family. Rose STEWART married Edward ROBERTS in 1800 in Kentucky- related? Probably not as Stewart is a common Scots-Irish name, but thought I would include these just in case there is a connection.]

1783_1020- STEWART, Waller, 175ac, Botetourt Patent Book H, p600, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, page 20 FamilySearch.

 

1786_0516, STEWART, Archibald- 185ac, Botetourt Patent Book 1,
p231, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, page 30 FamilySearch.

ROBERTS:

1792_1018- ROBERTS, William, 430ac in 2 parcels, Botetourt Patent Book 28, p82, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1, p58, FamilySearch.

[Again, Roberts is a common name, but John Roberts married the daughter of Mary M. (HONTS) Murrell; Mary grew up along Back Creek.]

 

1799_1002-McROBERTS, Samuel and Alexander McROBERTS, 150ac, Botetourt Patent Book 41, p449, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, p88, FamilySearch.

DANIEL:

1800_0429- DANIEL, Pearce, 200ac, Botetourt Patent Book 43, p628, indexed in Commonwealths land grants or Patents, Botetourt Co VA 1770-1802, p95, FamilySearch.

[Our DANIEL(S) family lived in Rockbridge County, which was formed in 1777 from Botetourt and Augusta Counties.]

 

Please let us know if you know more about these patent owners, and/or how they might connect to our ancestors!

 

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1.  “Commonwealth’s (land) grants or patents, Botetourt County, Va., 1770-1802” abstracted and typewritten by Nell M. Nugent, 1944, on FamilySearch– https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE7165304
  2. Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) Lineage Book Vol. 005, Page 46, application for Mrs. Margaret M. Hanger Ratcliffe, DAR # 4118.

 

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Mystery Monday: Unknown Johns Family in Indiana

Unknown JOHNS in the Raysville-Knightstown Monthly Meeting, Henry County, Indiana, Meeting Minutes, in “Abstracts of the Records of the Society of Friends in Indiana,” volume 7, part 4, page 476.

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There are more Johns families found in various volumes of “Abstracts of the Records of the Society of Friends in Indiana,” but they are in areas other than Raysville-Knightstown, where we find some of our know Johns relatives. The above abstract is for unknown persons, but there is a high probability of them being related.

We have found a Riley Matthew Johns (1877-1965), whose wife was Lillie W. Collingwood and at least three sons, including William Glen Johns (1897-1953). Riley’ father was Henry Johns, but the mystery is, which one? If this is the same Riley, he would have only been 13 when he joined the Quakers at Raysville-Knightstown (“rec in mbrp” means “received in membership”) but that is entirely possible.

Please let us know if you have more information about this family.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. Raysville-Knightstown Monthly Meeting, Henry County, Indiana, Meeting Minutes, in “Abstracts of the Records of the Society of Friends in Indiana,” volume 7, part 4, page 476.
  2. World War II Draft Registration Card for Riley Matthew Johns, via Ancestry.com.
  3. World War I Draft Registration Card for William Glen Johns, via Ancestry.com.

 

 

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Church Record Sunday: The Johns Family of Indiana

William H. JOHNS and family listed in the Raysville-Knightstown Monthly Meeting Records, Henry County, Indiana, in “Abstracts of the Records of the Society of Friends in Indiana,” Births, Vol. 7, Part 4, page 449.

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Last week we posted about a surprising find- that Matthias/Matthew Johns was buried in a Friends (Quaker) cemetery in Wilkinson, Hancock County, Indiana. It made us wonder who else in the family had become Quakers, with a special interest in Matthew’s father, Henry Honts, who is our direct ancestor.

Even though Quakers kept very good records, they have not all survived, or they may be in library collections that are only accessible in person. Apparently, as the number of Quakers decreased after the Civil War, and the population continued to move west, Monthly Meetings (MM) got smaller and were combined with others in the area.  Wilkinson MM seems to be one of these, so records are a bit more challenging to find. We finally did find some with the Johns name, attached to the Raysville-Knightstown MM.

The names shown above, however, were not familiar, as the Johns family has not been a research focus except for Henry Honts, who changed the family name to Johns. so some collateral research was in order, to find out who these folks were, and how they were related. It made sense to start with Matthew’s family, but he did not have a son named William H. Johns. So research on his sons was next, and amazingly, Henry Johns (1844-1895), the first son, was the connection. (Of course, I had started with the youngest son instead…)

Henry Johns married Sarah J. Coon/Kuhn (1849-1903) and of the seven children found in that family, William H. Johns was the second-born, on 1 July 1869 in Wilkinson, Hancock County, Indiana. He was found in the 1870 and 1880 US Federal Censuses there with his parents and siblings. Some Ancestry.com trees state he married first Mary J. Henshaw in 1891 (Marriage Book 3, page 522 in Hancock Co., IN), then Florence Walker (Marriage Book C8, page 406) in 1892; getting copies of these marriage licenses could be a next step. The marriage we do have more sources for is to Bertha Corbin, as shown above. The 1900 US Federal Census has them listed together with their 3 year old daughter Mamie Esther Johns, and states they have been married for 3 years, thus married about 1897. It also states this was his second marriage.

In 1900 William H. was working as an engineer in a sawmill, and he had been employed all of the previous 12 months. They rented their home. Ten years later, William H. was listed as a machinist, and Bertha was working as a washerwoman. Their daughter Mamie Esther was listed with them, but no daughter named Martha Carol Johns- perhaps she died young?

By 1920, William and Bertha owned their home, mortgage-free, and he was working still as a machinist. Their daughter M. Esther was living with them, along with her husband, Walter Winn, and their daughter, Martha V. Winn. Walter was also a machinist, and worked at a “bottle house.”

Bertha passed away on 30 Aug 1925, and William was listed as widowed and a laborer in the “thresherman” industry in the 1930 census. He had not worked the previous day, however, and was listed on the unemployed schedule. He was 61. In 1940, he was still living on his own at age 71, and was not employed.

William died 11 May 1953 in Wilkinson, where he is also buried, alongside his wife Bertha in McCray Cemetery. The plaque in the cemetery states that a Baptist Church was first built on that spot, then later First Christian Church. It thus appears this is not a Friends cemetery, so had William abandoned the Quaker faith, had his children, or was it just more convenient to be buried with family nearby?

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. How are we related? If you are a descendant of Edith (Roberts) [McMurray] Luck, her great-grandparents were Mary M. Honts and Wiley A. Murrell. Mary’s father was Henry Honts, who changed his name to Johns when he left his first wife and Mary in Virginia and moved to Tennessee. Matthew Johns was the son of Henry and his second wife, Elizabeth (Firestone) [Lampert] Johns, so Mary’s half-brother.
  2. “Abstracts of the Records of the Society of Friends in Indiana,” Births, Vol. 7, Part 4, available from FamilySearch– https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE190486
  3. Johns family members buried in McCray Cemetery, Wilkinson, Hancock County, Indiana– https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/85847/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=Johns&page=2#sr-28834638
  4. McCray Cemetery History- see plaque in images– https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/85847/mccray-cemetery
  5. See also cemetery image for “The Elopement Girl” and the beginnings of the cemetery- so sad.

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Tuesday’s Tip: Researching Matthew Johns and his Second Wife

Sugar Grove Conservative Friends Meeting House, built 1870 in Hendricks Co., Indiana, with an openable partition between male and female sections. Image by Jonathunder, via Wikipedia, GFDL 1.2. (This is not where the Johns family worshipped- just an example of what a friends meeting House looked like.)

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Tuesday’s Tip: Research organizations to which your ancestor belonged, whether religious, fraternal, military veteran, club, or ?? They may provide answers to questions that will help flesh out your family history.

Finding out that the funeral service of Matthew Johns took place at the Friends Church in Wilkinson, Indiana, was quite a surprise- we had no idea he belonged to the Religious Society of Friends, also known as Quakers. The fact that he had a second wife was a surprise as well. We do have other Quaker ancestors, such as Lewis Walker of Chester, Pennsylvania, so learning a bit more about Quakerism seemed in order, and might help us to learn more details about this family’s life.

One of our research goals is to learn the name of Matthew’s second wife, and another is to learn the date of their marriage. We started with the hypothesis that the date was after Matthew’s first wife, Ellen (Maggard) Johns passed away in 1886. A search in Indiana marriage records, however, came up empty.

Our additional research into the Quakers in Indiana gave a clue as to a possible reason for us being unable to find a marriage record. The Indiana Historical Society has a wonderful website that includes an “Introduction to the Quaker Records Project.” This document should be required reading for anyone researching Quakers.

The Intro explains that Quakers (AKA “Friends”) did not believe in being married by a “hireling priest” or a civil servant- Friends married themselves. They also monitored themselves to ensure proper behavior. One of the Quaker church gatherings was called a “Monthly Meeting” (MM), and at that meeting, the couple would announce their intention to marry- similar to the marriage banns required by the Catholic church and other religions. After the intention was announced, the MM would appoint a committee to investigate and make sure the bride and groom were both “clear of engagements,” i.e., not married or promised to another. If the individuals were, indeed, free of others per the committee’s report at the next MM, the couple would be declared “at liberty to accomplish the marriage.” Of course, a committee would be appointed to attend the marriage to ensure that “good order was preserved.” Sometimes a special meeting was called to include the marriage, and in earliest Quaker marriages, the ceremony would take place at the next midweek worship meeting. After the mid-1800s, which was when Matthew would have married a second time, the marriage took place on First-day. (First-day was Sunday, and meetings occurred on this day. The Quakers used a “plain calendar” which used numbers for days of the week and the months- they did not want to use names derived from pagan deities, like Saturday, named after Saturn, an ancient Roman god of time, agriculture, plenty, or January, named after the Roman god Janus, the god of beginnings and endings, passages and duality, etc.)

Detailed records were kept of the business of the Monthly Meeting, so if they survive for the Wilkinson Church, we should be able to learn the name of Matthew’s second wife, when they married, and even her parent’s names and residences of all involved.

Understanding the process of marriage within a religion is always insightful, but why does this have importance in our research? The Indiana History website tells us:

“The laws of Indiana, until the 1920s, exempted Friends from the legal requirement to obtain a civil marriage license. Thus marriages performed under the care of a monthly meeting will not be found in courthouse records.”

Looking at the historical timeline of an organization and their rules/dogma may give us more clues to help our research:

“Disownment for marrying a non-Friend or for marrying by civil ceremony had been abandoned by the 1860s. The member concerned had only to indicate that he wished to retain his membership. By the 1880s the whole matter was ignored. Some Friends churches had paid preachers, and the marriage form was soon fashioned after other Protestant ceremonies.”

So yes, we will still look further for this marriage information within civil records, since they likely married in the mid-1880s. But we now know that we may only find the information within the records of a Monthly Meeting, especially if this more-rural church maintained a more traditional point of view.

Knowing this information, we have another clue into Matthew’s life: his second wife may have been Quaker, since we have not yet found a marriage record, but his first wife may not have been when they married, since we do have a record of their marriage. Of course, this is hypothesis, and more research into the Quaker records of this area may give us the answers we desire.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. Introduction to the Quaker Records Project– http://www.indianahistory.org/our-services/books-publications/magazines/online-connections/quaker-records/introquakerrecords.pdf
  2.  Image from Wikipedia, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SugarGroveFriendsDivision.jpg 
  3. GFDL 1.2 for image– https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GNU_Free_Documentation_License,_version_1.2
  4. FamilySearch Wiki articles on Quakers– https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Society_of_Friends_(Quakers)_in_the_United_States   and https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/U.S._Quaker_Research_(Society_of_Friends)
  5. Wilkinson Meetings are listed under the Knightstown meeting (formerly Raysville), located in Henry County, Indiana– https://quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=514 and the Shirley meeting, located in Hancock County, Indiana– https://quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=815. Unfortunately none of the links worked for websites with the records.

 

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