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Those Places Thursday: Botetourt County, Virginia

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Botetourt County, Virginia- Mountain View

Botetourt County, Virginia- Mountain View

 

Murrell Family (Click for Family Tree)

Botetourt County, Virginia, is the earliest residence that we know of for Wiley Anderson Murrell. He was married there in April of 1834, to Mary Magdalene Honce, also from the area. It can help give us a feel for the context of their lives to know a bit about an area where a family lived.

Map of Virginia with Botetourt County highlighted. Public Domain via Wikipedia.
Map of Virginia with Botetourt County highlighted. Public Domain via Wikipedia.

The eastern edge of Botetourt County follows the Blue Ridge Mountains, and the Appalachian Mountains run along the western. The beautiful James River cuts across the county, between the two mountain ranges.

Botetourt County, Virginia, from an 1895 state map. PD-US, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2790949
Botetourt County, Virginia, from an 1895 state map. PD-US, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2790949

For the Murrell family, it must have been a difficult change to move from the Virginia mountains and valleys to the flat prairie of first Illinois, and later Iowa. The lure of the rich soils of the western lands must have had a stronger pull than that of the mountains.

Botetourt County, Virginia- Valley View.
Botetourt County, Virginia- Valley View.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. 1895 Botetourt map- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botetourt_County,_Virginia#/media/File:Botetourt_County_Virginia_1895.jpg
  2. Landscape images by Dread Pirate Jeff on FLICKR, CC BY-NC-ND 2.0 license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/), only modified size. Thanks, DPJ, for sharing your beautiful images!Mountain image: https://www.flickr.com/photos/justageek/2159754578/in/photolist-4hRiMU-5BqQoC-NSjt-9gkSZr-8Efc8r-6w6gBe-62czZq-ybhxL8-8BheHw-8BhfhE-8k8EV7-cKEjVN-cQD5vb-xdzSvY-pQkEr-4dKp7n-k41k33-xT6Dtn-5joS5b-4hRjbq-8k5tck-g6xtN-pdfVZc-y9H8jq-8k8DuE-8BhfQL-5RExrR-nLHNFo-6w5fyR-8EiaPA-7XoE4A-eifXaC-6ESqom-69BVsT-cQD5Pf-dkn4Ji-eZHjpU-4dKpcn-9VDrK4-dtPxL4-em6JCH-ExRBr5-bE28u9-79t1gk-ybhfw8-pv8Pf6-51zUnK-7Xkt2t-8QtPxN-y8hPa7
    Valley image:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/justageek/2159766380/in/photolist-4hRnio-8Bhf9d-8LV8cU-8AWGDE-7pQ3q5-4dKp9t-rMDBSE-6w9prw-eifWQQ-8Ei7Zb-8Bhfvm-8k8DML-7XAssC-8k5t6Z-69BVtX-q7HHB3-7XxSER-5A9PrR-xSZSrs-cQD3YJ-7Xx8Qi-xdzHSW-8QquCB-dCpfZf-8QA18e-7pLeGk-69BVrg-qQYhBi-xSYKjq-4hRngd-7XoBDb-cQD4js-6w9iqL-fLFzhS-6w9frL-4rQrjQ-4hRmrq-8k8FCG-xSYQCb-8QqGsB-4hMdtM-8Beaig-5WPp5F-dcB5ch-errBNd-6ENgCe-8Be88M-8k5snX-8Be8hp-5WTFoo
  3. This post was also put up on our new blog, MurrellFamilyGenealogy.net. This blog was begun as a one-name study in hope that we might eventually find the parents of Wiley Anderson Murrell.

 

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Workday Wednesday: John W. Roberts, Farmer

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The John W. Roberts Family: from left, John W, Tressa, Clyde, wife Sarah Ansbach Roberts, and Candace Roberts. Taken about 1891, from the William Roberts Family Album.
The John W. Roberts Family: from left, John W, Tressa, Clyde, wife Sarah (Anspach) Roberts, and daughter Candace Roberts. Taken before 10 Sept 1900, when John died. Sarah may have been expecting their son Leon in this image, from the Lloyd Roberts Family Album.

Roberts Family (Click for Family Tree)

The state of Indiana has great, rich, bountiful soil, and our Roberts ancestors farmed it for generations. Hard work, long days, and weather that could not be controlled was, and still is, the daily life of a farmer. A whole year’s work- and income- could be lost in a minute with one big storm. That’s the workday world of a farmer, and his family.

John W. Roberts tilled the land as did his father, William Roberts (1827-1891). As a boy William would have also learned, at his father’s side, the intricacies of working with Mother Nature, as did his own father, John S. Roberts (1805-1875). And John’s father, our (currently believed) immigrant ancestor Edward Roberts (abt 1775-1830), worked in agriculture too, per the 1820 US Federal Census for Ripley County, Indiana- the household had 3 persons engaged in agriculture. So at least four generations of Roberts men tilled the land, and likely many more.

John W. Roberts was the oldest of the surviving children of Sarah Christie (1829-1912) and her husband William Roberts. John was born on the 1st day of the new year of 1849, in Ripley County, Indiana. His young life would have been filled with the busy outdoor life of an Indiana farm boy during the third quarter of the 1800s. The family had moved to Adams, Decatur County, Indiana, about 1860. His brother, George Lucas Roberts, was born there in November of 1860; John was 11 years old at that time. His second brother, Isaac Henry Roberts was born three years later, in 1863, in the midst of the Civil War.

Although Indiana was a strong supporter of the Union during the Civil War, there were pockets of southern sympathizers. We can only surmise the political leanings of the Roberts family, since William’s father, John S. Roberts, had been born in Kentucky, a slave state. However, the 1810 and 1820 US Federal Censuses for the Edward Roberts family (John S. was a son) did not include slaves. The family had moved to Indiana by about 1825, so may have changed sympathies if they had indeed been pro-slave. Or maybe the move to Indiana was to escape the politics and economics of living in a slave state.

John W.’s father had been required to register for the 1863 Civil War draft, but was listed as Class II due to his age and marital state, thus most likely would not be drafted. John was only 14, so exempt. The family must have let out a collective sigh of relief, although the young brothers may have been itching to go off to war, as young boys are wont to do.

It was in Adams, Indiana, that John W. married Sarah J. Anspach (1854-1931) on 6 February 1879. They had five children together:

Tressvylian “Tressa” Roberts born in December of 1879; never married, d. 10 Sept 1945 in Butlerville, Warren, Ohio.

Candace Roberts, born 14 Mar 1883, in Boone Co., Indiana per some sources. She married Winfield S. Shepherd and died 31 Dec 1950 in Decatur Co., Indiana.

Clyde C. Roberts, born 14 Nov 1885 in Indiana but died at age 18, on 15 Aug 1903.

Leon Roberts was born in April of 1891 in Indiana. He married Lucile G. Bristol on 16 Sept 1917 in Lansing, Michigan, though he was then living in Detroit. Leon died in December of 1976 in Lansing, Michigan.

Glennie or Glenna Roberts, born July 1893 in Indiana per some sources, but others, including Find A Grave, state that John W. Roberts died on 10 September 1900. Adding Glenna’s birth and John’s death date to the “more research needed” list.

John W. and Sarah lived in Greensburg, Decatur, Indiana in their later years. He worked in the insurance business.

John died 10 September 1900, possibly in Greensburg; their son Leon was born the following April.

Sarah continued living in Greensburg, and was enumerated in the 1910 US Federal Census as widowed, head of household with son 18 y/o son Leon, who was a driver for a delivery wagon, and daughter Glennie Roberts, 16, a typesetter in a printing office living in the home. Sarah worked on her own account as an agent in the dry goods business.

Sarah was living with her daughter Glenna who had married Ernest Maple, plus their two children in Liberty, Shelby County, Indiana, at the 1930 US Federal Census.

Some Ancestry trees list the death of Sarah J. Ansbach Roberts as 28 February 1937 in Greensburg, Indiana; others claim 25 December 1931 in Fremont, Ohio. We have not been able to verify either, but Sarah had remained a widow for 37 years. They are both buried in South Park Cemetery in Greensburg.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
  2. Ancestry.com for US Federal Censuses, City Directories, marriage records.

 

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Motivation Monday: Correcting Edward B. Payne Internet Errors

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Edward B. Payne
Edward B. Payne, c1900 or later?

McMurray Family, Payne Family (Click for Family Tree)

OK, did you chuckle just a little when you read the title of this post? Or did the thought of ‘correcting internet errors’ elicit a loud guffaw??

Yes, me too, but I am SO motivated to take on this task- I hate junk genealogy!!

And yes, I must have a Sisyphus Complex- hopefully without my having the deceitfulness and hubris of the original Greek mythological character.

In this case, it is about Edward B. Payne (affectionately known as EBP in our household), my great genealogical obsession. I would roll a stone uphill to make sure he is remembered correctly. (Well, for a while, anyway, and depending on how big the stone is, how round it is, and how steep the hill, how hot it is outside, and…)

In the excellent “A History of Berkeley, From The Ground Up,” Dr. Frank Payne is mentioned a number of times. He apparently was an early physician in Berkeley, and his name can be found in the Alameda County Voter’s Registration Lists next to the name of Rev. Edward B. Payne. I had wondered how the two were related, but had never researched that particular question in detail. So when I saw that this article stated, in Chapter 14 under “Dwight Way Station”:

“…the Reverend Payne (the brother of Doctor Payne, Berkeley’s erstwhile physician),”

I became very motivated to document the relationship and see if I could get this statement corrected. Despite Edward’s magazine article, “Spectres on the Overland Trail,” which is most likely totally fiction, he did not have a brother who is known to Payne researchers- he only had 2 sisters. One sister died at age 11, and one stayed in the east and married. I have never found any inkling of a second male child in the family.

It turns out that I do have more information about Frank and his family than I realized, plus a few other New England Payne lines. Ancestry.com states the relationship of the accountholder to a person in the tree, but what I found was confusing: Frank Howard Payne (1850-1904) was my “brother-in-law of 1st cousin 4x removed.” But WHICH cousin? That would take a lot of time to figure out. Thankfully I have been clicking on all sorts of things on (trusted) websites since a lot of them no longer highlight with a mouse-over to signify a hyperlink, and sometimes good intel results. This time, by clicking on that phrase, Ancestry provided me with a list of people and relationships that were used to determine the connection. Mercy Hitchcock and her husband Peter Payne were thus the common ancestors.

Dr. Frank Howard Payne (1850 – 1904)
brother-in-law of 1st cousin 4x removed
|
Thomas Hubbard Payne (1807 – 1892)
father of Frank Howard Payne
|
Emma Estelle Payne (1848 – 1884)
daughter of Thomas Hubbard Payne
|
Arthur Abbott Payne (1847 – 1903)
husband of Emma Estelle Payne
|
Alfred Payne (1815 – 1895)
father of Arthur Abbott Payne
|
Mercy Hitchcock (1783 – 1859)
mother of Alfred Payne
|
Joseph Hitchcock Payne (1810 – 1884)
son of Mercy Hitchcock
|
Rev. Edward Biron Payne (1847 – 1923)
son of Joseph Hitchcock Payne
(and so on with his descendants)

(At first it was hard to understand the above chart, but then I realized it is sort of an hourglass, with one family at the top going back generations to the center point, which is the common ancestor. One then follows down the other family line from that ancestor.)

From the helpful chart, I could ascertain the relationship of Frank and Edward.

Mercy Hitchcock + Peter Payne
|
Alfred Payne
|
Arthur Abbot Payne + Emma Estelle Payne
Emma Estelle was the daughter of Thomas Hubbard Payne (have not found an older connection between these Payne lines yet); her brother was Dr. Frank Howard Payne.
Also,
Mercy Hitchcock + Peter Payne
                                                       |
Joseph Hitchcock Payne [so brother to Alfred]
|
Rev. Edward B. Payne
So EBP was first cousin to Arthur Abbot, who married Emma. Arthur’s brother-in-law was Emma’s brother, Dr. Frank Howard Payne. Therefore, Edward Biron Payne was 1st cousin to the brother-in-law of Dr. Frank Howard Payne.
I have sent a note to the author and he responded quickly, even though the copyright on this was 2007-8. It is good to have a blog to put out such information too- hoping this post will come up in searches when the website also comes up.
Remember, just because it is on the internet, does not make it ‘actual factual.’ Even my blog posts may not be totally correct, and some have been updated with new information as we find it. So do always remember to trust but verify, especially with secondary sources. (Sometimes that is needed with primary sources, as well.)
Be motivated to try to correct erroneous information- whether in an online tree or a website. Corrections can happen, and our descendants will thank us for avoiding the genealogical confusions we today so often face.

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1.   “A History of Berkeley, From The Ground Up” copyright 2007-2008 by Alan Cohen, http://historyofberkeley.org/chapter14.html. Accessed 3/12/16.
  2. “Spectres on the Overland Trail” in The Overland Monthly, Volume XIV- Second Series, July-December 1889, p654-7, December 1889. https://books.google.com/books?id=l3hAAQAAMAAJ&pg=PR3&lpg=PR3&dq=%22Spectre+on+the+Overland+Trail,%22&source=bl&ots=JJHvzz85AU&sig=5zRj89fSb3fV0AdBHbOef4ls6m0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ8qr3gbzLAhWJ4SYKHSqwCJEQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22Spectre%20on%20the%20Overland%20Trail%2C%22&f=false
  3. Ancestry.com: censuses, voter registrations, vital records, etc.

 

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Sentimental Sunday: FANs in the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection

This entry is part 6 of 9 in the series Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection
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"Chaplin Boys" from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
“Chaplin Boys” from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.

Roberts Family (Click for Family Tree)

As mentioned in the previous two posts, these images are from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection. Lloyd was a descendant of John Roberts and Jane Salyers Roberts. These people are members of the “FAN Club“- Friends, Associates, and Neighbors,of the Lloyd Roberts family or his ancestors, though they could possibly be family that we do not know how they are related. The relationship was a sentimental one to the Roberts family, since they took the time to put the images in photo albums and have preserved them all these years.

Mr. and Mrs. Evar Elfstrom from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Mr. and Mrs. Evar Elfstrom from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.

And now, the rest of the gentlemen:

Charley Bennet from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Charley Bennet from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Emmit Clark from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Emmit Clark from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
"Culberson" from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
“Culberson” from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
J. H. Guthrie from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
J. H. Guthrie from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
"Hanson" from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
“Hanson” from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Harvey Hayworth, from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Harvey Hayworth, from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Ulysses Hendrickson from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Ulysses Hendrickson from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. Images from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection, generously shared by their owner, Jon Roberts. Thanks, Jon!

 

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Sorting Saturday: More From the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection

This entry is part 5 of 9 in the series Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection
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A. Kate Huron, from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection
A. Kate Huron, from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection

Roberts Family (Click for Family Tree)

We continue with the images from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection, with persons who were Friends, Associates, or Neighbors- as Elizabeth Shown Mills calls them, the “FAN Club.” They could also possibly be cousins, since women usually change their name when they marry, or be distant cousins that sent the family pictures. We do not know how any of these persons are related to the Roberts family.

More of the ladies in the collection:

Eva Hill Clark from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Eva Hill Clark from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Eva Brogle from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Eva Brogle from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Cora Barlow- younger? from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Cora Barlow- younger? from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Cora Barlow from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Cora Barlow from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Myrtle Robertson Anderson from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.
Myrtle Robertson Anderson from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection.

These images were all in family photo albums, and it would be interesting to know their relationship to the Roberts family. Please contact us if you are related to any of these ladies!

 

Notes, Sources, and References: 

  1. Images from the Lloyd Roberts Family Photo Collection, generously shared by their owner, Jon Roberts. Thanks, Jon!

 

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