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Five Family Photos for Friday- A Green Family Photo Album- Part 6

This entry is part 6 of 7 in the series A Green Family Photo Album
Green Family Photo Album- page 38.
Green Family Photo Album- page 38.

It’s Ladies Day in the Green Family Photo Album series. (OK, one cigar-chomping man too. Not sure who he is or how he got on that page.)

The woman in the white dress on the left above may be Bess Dorothy Green. The pose, seen frequently in the album, may be to show off the Gibson Girl-like very slender waist so fashionable at the time.

Green Family Photo Album- page 32.
Green Family Photo Album- page 32.

The woman on the left with glasses may be Bess Dorothy Green.

Green Family Photo Album- page 27.
Green Family Photo Album- page 27.

This is one of the pages that makes a family historian crazy- are the two women in the close-ups the same woman? We thought they were both Bess Green at different ages, but a picture on the previously-posted page 36 (Five Family Photos for Friday) is either a double exposure or there are two very similar-looking women in the family. (No story about twins in the family that we know of.) As far as one of the pictures being from an earlier date, this album seems to have photos from approximately the same time period, though we can’t know that for sure since we recognize so few of the persons. Anyone with other Green family photos, please let us know if you can help solve this mystery.

Green Family Photo Album- page 25.
Green Family Photo Album- page 25.

Possibly mother and daughter above? But who???

Green Family Photo Album- page 13.
Green Family Photo Album- page 13.

Minnie Weast per name listed in album- unknown how she might be related.

 

 

Notes, Sources, and References:

1) Family oral history and Green Family Photo Album.

 

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Five Family Photos for Friday- A Green Family Photo Album- Part 5

This entry is part 5 of 7 in the series A Green Family Photo Album
Green Family Photo Album- page 15.
Green Family Photo Album- page 15.

Top row, from right: Sam Stampfer, ? Bess Dorothy Green?, Herman Green?

Green Family Photo Album- page 12.
Green Family Photo Album- page 12.

This page thankfully had names written in pencil- Woohoo! They show up much better on the scan than in real life, so try scanning items and looking at them carefully- you might find more than expected.

The bottom right young woman with glasses is Bess Green.

The four pictures on the diagonal are Edith Shepard- wonder how she is related?

Green Family Photo Album- page 14.Green Family Photo Album- page 14.

Green Family Photo Album- page 9.
Green Family Photo Album- page 9.

Estelle Green in bottom left oval, Rose Brave Green in right bottom photo with young girl.

Green Family Photo Album- page 8
Green Family Photo Album- page 8

On left, Violet ___y; on right, “Mrs. Abraham Green” or Rose (Brave) Green.

 

Green Family Photo Album- page 7.
Green Family Photo Album- page 7.

Unknown children of the Green Family.

Green Family Photo Album- Front Cover
Green Family Photo Album- Front Cover
Green Family Photo Album- Back Cover
Green Family Photo Album- Back Cover

 

Notes, Sources, and References:

1) Oops! Published a Friday post on Thursday. I could say, “Wow, that makes me ahead of the game!” Sadly though, I meant to finish this post for publication last week…

2) Green Family Photo Album, in possession of the author.

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Wedding Wednesday: Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell

The ‘Age of Computers’- that phrase probably dates me!- has made genealogy research so much easier than the days of SASE and queries in the back of a genealogy magazine. For years I have known that Edward B. Payne married Nanie M. Burnell on 05 May 1870. Some of our family records had this information, I believe, and now online there is an entry on Family Search as well as the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900. Usually it is just a simple tabbed line of the most basic information:

Kane Co IL Marriage Record for EB Payne and Nannie M Burnell.
Kane Co IL Marriage Record for EB Payne and Nannie M Burnell. (Click to enlarge and sharpen.)

Sometimes the county, in this case, Kane County, Illinois, is listed, and maybe even a marriage license number (00007122).

I have written requesting this record in years past and only received a clerk’s handwritten copy of the pertinent- to them- information, which was what I already knew. It was not possible to get a scan of the actual record, per the County Clerk’s office.

In a recent genealogy blog I learned that Kane Co., IL has now put marriage licenses online. I dropped everything the rest of the world deemed important and headed online for the website. There it was- the marriage record I had sought for so long. I plunked down (virtually) my $11 for a downloadable copy, and voila!- I could print it. Sadly, it had “For Genealogical Purposes Only” written diagonally all across the face of the license, in rows just an inch apart. I tried to read the minister’s name, and it looked familiar. Though I couldn’t be sure, it looked like “Payne.” 

Edward B. Payne’s father, Joseph Hitchcock Payne (or J. H. Payne, as he usually was known), was a Congregational minister.

 

I cried. OK, yes, I have been obsessed with E. B. Payne for most of my genealogical research life (is it stalking if one of the parties is long departed???), as he is quite an interesting and intriguing fellow. To learn that he was married to his college sweetheart by his father was so very touching, so sentimental, and it touched my heart so deeply that I was actually speechless.

Well, for a few moments, any way. I was mad that I could not read the name of the minister, and upset that the one actual signature and bit of writing of J. H. Payne that I had ever seen in all my research could not be easily read and savoured. (Spelled purposefully with a British “u” because the American-shortened ‘savored’ did not give enough time to enjoy or import of how wonderful it was to see this signature.)

Of course, feedback to Kane Co. was the answer, so I wrote a polite note to the county clerk, praising them for the new service but letting her know how disappointed I was that the marriage license was not framable and only barely readable. I got a fast reply thanking me for feedback so they could improve the new service, and in subsequent emails she explained that if I sent another $11 for a certified copy, and sent it to her attention, she would make sure that the required “for genealogical purposes only” stamp would not be across the main face of the license. She was good to her word.

Marriage license of Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell, 05 May 1870, Kane Co., Illinois.
Marriage license of Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell, 05 May 1870, Kane Co., Illinois. (Click to enlarge.)

But wait- there’s more!

On the back of the record I received via snail mail were the following documents:

Marriage License File: Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell. (Click to enlarge.)
Marriage License File: Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell. (Click to enlarge.)

And then another incredible document, attesting that these two requesting a marriage license had met the legal age requirements:

K. A. Burnell's affidavit as to the age of Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell.
K. A. Burnell’s affidavit as to the age of Edward B. Payne and Nannie M. Burnell. (Click to enlarge and sharpen.)

K. A. Burnell was Nannie’s father, Kingsley Abner Burnell. It was his writing, his listing of his daughter’s name, and his signature.

Amazing. Totally amazing.

Thank you, Kane County, Illinois.

 

Notes, Sources, and References:

1) The first image is from the old Kane Co., IL website, which has been replaced by the new and much improved http://genealogy.kanecountyclerk.org. Posted with permission.

 

 

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Mystery Monday: Fred Foster Springer and Ninetta Wiley Eames Payne

Wedding announcement of Ninetta (Wiley) Eames Payne to Fred Foster Springer, 1937. Oakland Tribune.
Wedding announcement of Ninetta (Wiley) Eames Payne to Fred Foster Springer, 1937. Oakland Tribune.

 

Here’s a ‘cousin-bait’ post. Actually, more a ‘married-in to a married-in’ person post, but that’s close enough to be a cousin in my mind. We’re all related if one goes back far enough.

(Sadly, that philosophy  also lets me wander far afield and late into the night at times, but when one can make connections, it will help genealogists to come. And sometimes, that “FAN Club” finds me a tidbit or two about a direct line that I might not otherwise have found.)

I am searching for information on Fred Foster Springer. I am searching this far afield because Fred was married to Ninetta (Wiley) Eames Payne, who also married Edward B. Payne, a direct ancestor.

Fred F. Springer was born Mar 1865 in Maine, possibly Bradford, Penobscot, Maine, and lived there through 1870. By 1880 he and his parents, Samuel Foster Springer (b. 1832 in New Hampshire-d. 1902 in California) and Helen M. Fuller (b. 1838 in Maine-d. aft 1920 census in California?) had moved to San Francisco, California.

Fred graduated May 1883 from the Boys High School in San Francisco, and in 1886 was living in San Francisco at 1305-1/2 Polk with his father where he was listed as a “Collector” when he registered to vote at age 21. Two years later, in 1888, he was listed as a “Machine Hand” and living at 9 Liberty with his father.

By 1890 Fred was living in Berkeley, Alameda, CA and was an electrician/electrical engineer/engineer with the phone company. He lived at 1810 Louisa with his mother in 1906.

At about age 44 Fred married Margaret Smith c1909, and in the 1910 census they were living at 1815 Bonita with their first child, Inez/Ynez Springer, 8 months old. Other children were Richard F. Springer (1911-1964), Carobel A. Springer (1913-), and Margaret E. Springer (1915-). They also lived at 2207 Eunice, 1715 Jaynes, and 1430 Arch in Berkeley, California.

Fred and Margaret separated and were divorced sometime between the 1927 Oakland Directory listing and the 1930 census. Margaret is listed in a boarding house in the 1930 census, and the 3 daughters were living together in another household with Yzez noted as head of household. Fred was living in a boarding house in Berkeley owned by Ninetta (Wiley) Eames Payne. Sometime in 1930 (per voter’s registration) Fred had moved to 1715 Jaynes St. and living with dau Ynez; in 1932 his son Richard was also living with them. By 1934 Fred and his son Richard were rooming at Ninetta’s home again at 1282 Oxford. (I believe Fred and Margaret’s young family had rented a home from Ninetta in earlier years, and they were all old friends, as Ninetta owned the Arch St. home at one point.)

In Aug of 1937 Fred married Ninetta, possibly in Eureka, California, or Shasta, California. He was 72 and she 84. It was Ninetta’s third marriage- she had been married to Roscoe L. Eames (divorced in 1910), then Edward B. Payne, who died in 1923.

The last record I can find of Fred is 8 Nov 1938 when he appeared on the Alameda Voting Register, which is interesting since the California Death Index states his date of death as 15 Sep 1938. It may have been that the voting rolls were prepared before his death, and his name was just left on the roll for that election.

There is a story that Fred died while hiking Mt. Shasta with Ninetta, but I cannot find any confirmation of that.

I would like to find an obituary for Fred and learn if he and Ninetta divorced or how he passed away. Ninetta was listed as a widow in the 1940 census and had gone back to using Payne as her last name after Fred died.

Any information on Fred F. Springer or his family- even just clues- would be greatly appreciated.

 

Notes, Sources, and References:

1) “FAN Club” = Friends, Associates, Neighbors. These folks married each other, migrated together, witnessed each other’s legal documents, etc. Along with “Collateral Kin” (children, in-laws, etc. of siblings), one can sometimes find an obituary for a FAN Club member that mentions a direct ancestor, a photo with a group that includes the person of interest, or a story that includes a direct ancestor; it may not be something that is available for the direct line.

2) This is an expansion of a query I posted in 2012 on Ancestry’s San Francisco – Family History & Genealogy Message Board. See http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=5468&p=localities.northam.usa.states.california.counties.sanfrancisco Accessed on 04/17/14.  

3) California Death Index for Fred F. Springer: Ancestry.com. California, Death Index, 1905-1939 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data: California Department of Health and Welfare. California Vital Records-Vitalsearch (www.vitalsearch-worldwide.com). The Vitalsearch Company Worldwide, Inc., Pleasanton, California.

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Treasure Chest Thursday: Four Generations of the John Roberts Family, 1900

Four generations of the Roberts family: John Roberts (1832-1922), his son William Edward "W.E." Roberts (1858-1935), his grand-daughter Maude Mae Roberts Jensma (1884-1980), and great grandson Edward Jensma (1907-1986)
Four generations of the Roberts family.

This photo shows John Roberts (1832-1922) seated on right and his son William Edward “W.E.” Roberts (1858-1935) seated on left.

John’s grand-daughter and W.E.’s daughter  with Mary Margaret Main, Maude Mae (Roberts) Jensma (1884-1980), is standing in back.

Great grandson Andrew Edward Jensma (1907-1986), the son of Maude and her husband Andrew D. Jensma (1876-1961), is held on his great-grandfather’s knee. Edward was known by his middle name for most of his life.

John Roberts would have been about 76 when this photo was taken, W. E. about 50 years old, and Maude 23-24 when her first son was born.

W. E. was the oldest of the children of John Roberts and his wife Elizabeth Ann Murrell. Jason Lee Roberts (1859-1940), George A. Roberts (1861-1939), Mary Jane Roberts (1863-1947), and Wilbert John Roberts (1877-1878) were their other children.

 

Notes, Sources, and References:

1) Family treasure chest of photos.

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